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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2010, 14:18 
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British Humanist Association: Crucifix ban not evidence of Christian persecution

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Wednesday, 07, Apr 2010 01:02

The British Humanist Association (BHA) has reacted to commentary on an employment tribunal judgment which found that a nurse who was asked to remove a necklace with a crucifix on it was not illegally discriminated against. The judgment endorsed the hospital’s position that Shirley Chaplin was asked to remove the necklace because of the risk of elderly and confused patients grabbing the necklace, in line with the hospital’s health and safety policy. Ms Chaplin refused the choice of wearing the crucifix in another way, such as pinning it to her uniform.

The BHA has expressed its regret that such cases as this are increasingly being used for propaganda purposes by groups seeking to create the impression that Christians are being ‘persecuted’.

BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson said, ‘This is the latest in a line of employment tribunals where discrimination against Christians has been claimed but revealed as unfounded. Many observers share our concern about the false and misleading narrative that increasing numbers of churches and aggressive Christian lobby groups are attempting to create when they react to or actively promote cases like this. The story they are telling has it that Christians are being marginalised from public life and persecuted at work, when in fact churches retain enormous privileges and there is no evidence at all that employment discrimination against Christians is a real phenomenon. Freedom of religion or belief is a precious freedom, but its interests are not best served by attempting to talk up claims of persecution and discrimination.’

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For further comment or information, contact Andrew Copson at andrew@humanism.org.uk on 020 7079 3583 or 07534 248596.

The British Humanist Association represents and supports the non-religious. It is the largest organisation in the UK campaigning for an end to religious privilege and to discrimination based on religion or belief, and for a secular state.


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Interesting. Reminds me of an employment law case in the U.S. I read about last week, where a muslim woman was not hired for a job involving working around automated machinery because she insisted on wearing a headscarf, which violated the company's strict dress policy which were put in place for safety reasons. No loose-fitting headwear or clothing were allowed. She sued, naturally, but lost the case.


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Here is the appeals court ruling, if anyone is interested:

http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/10/03/083880P.pdf


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Zebulon wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of an employment law case in the U.S. I read about last week, where a muslim woman was not hired for a job involving working around automated machinery because she insisted on wearing a headscarf, which violated the company's strict dress policy which were put in place for safety reasons. No loose-fitting headwear or clothing were allowed. She sued, naturally, but lost the case.

Well it's consistent and rational that safety regulations trump religious observations.

The woman above would also be told not to wear her swinging crucifix in an industrial situation where machinery can grab onto and eat free swinging objects. In fact, many of those situations where people wear badges on shoestring, the badges are attached with breakaway chains (even then it's still a little dangerous.)

The absurd thing about the case is how they pointed out why it was dangerous and gave her an obvious solution that still permits her to display her holy symbol but she refuses? I think to prove a case of discrimination she'll have to explain why the chain (the dangerous component) is more important than the symbol.

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it's all Jesus's fault--- didn't he* say something along the lines that if you aren't persecuted, you aren't practicing right?





* 'he' being who ever actually wrong the book. Even if Jesus were historical, he dodn't say everything attributed to him.

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