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PostPosted: 11 Apr 2010, 12:54 
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Are we here to serve God or is God to serve man?

Some seem to think that man was created to serve or appease a need within God.
To do as commanded and love and adore Him. They also indicate that if we do not do so, a resentful and vengeful God punishes those who will not do so forever.
Christians tend to say, turn or burn while denying that there is a hell.

Others think that God is here to serve man as savior and scapegoat that we ride into heaven. He serves to the point of dying for us while at the same time the Bible tells us that we are perfect. Something that most Christians do not believe. Why we, Gods perfect works would need saving, remains unanswered.

Who is to be master and who is to be slave?

Are we here to serve or to be served?

Is the master to die for His slaves or are the slaves to die for the master?

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 02:49 
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No and no, God is a figment of your brainwashed imagination.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 07:28 
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The Dagda wrote:
No and no, God is a figment of your brainwashed imagination.


Perhaps. The way God is defined, I agree.

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The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 11:56 
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Zebulon wrote:
The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


In line with this, I like to say and also believe that our first God was a man and our last shall be as well.
Note how ancient emperors named themselves as Gods.

Who but man has ever been able to give voice to the will or thoughts of God.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 13:15 
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Greatest I am wrote:
Zebulon wrote:
The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


In line with this, I like to say and also believe that our first God was a man and our last shall be as well.
Note how ancient emperors named themselves as Gods.

Who but man has ever been able to give voice to the will or thoughts of God.

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God has been killed by man, for he no longer needs him to tell what is right and wrong.

As Nietzsche said we are beyond good and evil if we could just devoid ourselves of superstitious nonsense.

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Zebulon wrote:
The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


In line with this, I like to say and also believe that our first God was a man and our last shall be as well.
Note how ancient emperors named themselves as Gods.

Who but man has ever been able to give voice to the will or thoughts of God.

Regards
DL


Correct but the Universe without gods seems neither sterile or lacking in worth. They are superfluous, only men would have the conceit to name themselves God or a god, or demand worship of an invisible conceit. Or the stupidity to think that a god if it existed would want to leave men without any free will. Do as I say is a fall of man, do as I do is his only salvation if what he does is considered ethically justified.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 19:38 
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The Dagda wrote:
God has been killed by man, for he no longer needs him to tell what is right and wrong.


Well some of us anyways...


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It does worry me about people who do need a book to remind what is right and wrong.

I think it's pretty obvious the Abramic faiths are based on serving god.

I think some other religions have a more mutual relationship, though.

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jess wrote:
It does worry me about people who do need a book to remind what is right and wrong.

I think it's pretty obvious the Abramic faiths are based on serving god.

I think some other religions have a more mutual relationship, though.


I have a live and let live policy, even if devolving your decision making to an invisible sky God to me seems irrational, and for the most part rooted in societal controls rather than any real religious convictions.

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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2010, 14:33 
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The Dagda wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Zebulon wrote:
The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


In line with this, I like to say and also believe that our first God was a man and our last shall be as well.
Note how ancient emperors named themselves as Gods.

Who but man has ever been able to give voice to the will or thoughts of God.

Regards
DL


God has been killed by man, for he no longer needs him to tell what is right and wrong.

As Nietzsche said we are beyond good and evil if we could just devoid ourselves of superstitious nonsense.

Greatest I am wrote:
Zebulon wrote:
The idea of 'covenant' is that there is a mutual exchange -- you do this for me, and in turn I'll do this for you.

There is a third way as well: the idea of god is used by some men as a way to get other men to serve them.


In line with this, I like to say and also believe that our first God was a man and our last shall be as well.
Note how ancient emperors named themselves as Gods.

Who but man has ever been able to give voice to the will or thoughts of God.

Regards
DL


Correct but the Universe without gods seems neither sterile or lacking in worth. They are superfluous, only men would have the conceit to name themselves God or a god, or demand worship of an invisible conceit. Or the stupidity to think that a god if it existed would want to leave men without any free will. Do as I say is a fall of man, do as I do is his only salvation if what he does is considered ethically justified.


Well put by both you and Nietzsche.

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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2010, 14:36 
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jess wrote:
It does worry me about people who do need a book to remind what is right and wrong.

I think it's pretty obvious the Abramic faiths are based on serving god.

I think some other religions have a more mutual relationship, though.


Reciprocity is good only when both parties are around to reciprocate.

We are here but the other is absentee.

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