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PostPosted: 12 May 2010, 11:15 
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Do Evil thinkers know God better than Good thinkers?

We cannot help what we are born with in terms of mentality and inclinations towards knowledge of good and evil.
We are all born with more good in our hearts than evil.

From my point of view, I know that some, at some point in time, somehow allow our evil side to lead in thinking as opposed to letting our original birth condition of good thinking to rule. I was four, from what I am told, when I somehow chose to think from the evil side instead of the good side the way I did and adapted to the more evil attitudes and persona that I had to the age of 36. This change that persisted till I was 36 was caused by the evil conditions that I was thrust into thanks to being a member of what most would call a dysfunctional family. I now thing with a blend of good and evil.

This evil inclination leads to a faster knowledge of God as this condition leads to repentance faster than those with a good inclination and attitudes.
An evil inclination does this because it tries harder to know the thinking of what it considers the enemy, good, while the good people are hobbled by their good inclinations which shuns evil. The good thinkers tend to resist rapprochement to the other side while the evil thinker knows that it is better to know good well.
Evil thinkers will recognize evil more readily than good thinkers because of their desire to capitalize on any situation. The good thinkers will not. The evil thinkers will then know if a situation be good or evil sooner and in more depth than the good thinker.

I know this from butting head with those who believe themselves to be good thinkers but who do not recognize their own evil thinking. This may be why scriptures remind us constantly that we are all sinners. I recognize my sins and evil thinking while the good do not and if I was in an evil stance at present, I would call these hypocrites.

I think that the, perhaps unworkable, love the sinner and hate the sin, is a reminder from the ancients, not Jesus, that we are all doing the best that is possible within the conditions that made us who we are.

I therefore thank God, so to speak, for the criminal/evil mind, delinquent personality and contrary nature that lead me to repent at a relatively young age and thus leading me to what some call apotheosis. I would define this word as more of a rapprochement to the Godhead and not that of becoming as God unless you want to think of this word as saying an evolving and becoming to God status. A God WIP. I like to call it, and rightfully so, evolving perfection. Even Jesus or the ancient creators of his persona reminds us of this with his, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods.
I call it evolving perfections because that is exactly the world and situation we live in. It, like all of us, are evolving our initial perfection to a higher order. From birth to death.

I fought and studied God for 36 odd years before I knew enough of our world paradigm to challenge the Godhead to show himself and prove me wrong in my thinking. He/It did show himself. Not to prove me wrong but to prove me right. If I would have been wrong, the Godhead would not have acknowledged me. I call the cosmic consciousness Godhead because He/It is not what most traditionally call God.

That was the day that I was saved and recognized that none of us are ever lost.

Good believers have a hard time with the concept of evolving perfection because they do not recognize the benefits of evil and why God/Man invented or created it. In this issue they are befuddled in their thinking as they do not recognize that God wants us all to recognize our evil natures and repent. I do not blame believers, in a sense for this because it is hard on the personality to truly repent. I would say that some would even call it traumatic. I can be a hard hearted yet always truthful SOB and repentance brought me to tears so I know that the so called good will shun true repentance almost instinctively. The arrogance, determination and desire to know evil, something that I have naturally, is stifled by their thinking that they have found God in the writings of men and this prevents them from looking for the true God of this world. They cannot understand Him because of this and is why they use words like faith, and admit that they do not understand how their unfathomable God works. Yet they follow what they do not understand instead of demanding understanding from themselves, before doing the rather silly thing of following without knowing why they follow.

Scripture should not be taken literally but let me quote a few that would logically apply to God. Those who are somewhat enlightened will agree, after interpreting these, that none are ever lost to God, that there is no such place as hell, that there is no such thing as a rapture. You will also know that evil is good as it leads to repentance, and that there will be no end time unless man decides to create one. Agreement with one or all of these will show that you are thinking better than believers who think they have found God. I would remind those that think God is in a book that that is idol worship. God I see as a title only and not a particular person and believe that He is to be sought and if found then the bar should be raised to continue the natural evolution of our ideals. God can thus always improve and evolve along with man.

To show that we are all evolving perfection, I offer this.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

To think that God would create less than perfection is wrong.
To think that our initial perfection ever goes to imperfection is wrong.

To show that none of us are ever lost and that there is no hell.
2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

To repent one must first sin and therein lies the reason why God/Man invented or created sin and evil.

The question then becomes, will an evil thinker know the thinking of God better than the those who profess good thinking?

Is the thinking of a repented evil mind more moral than those who believe themselves to have always been more good than evil?

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PostPosted: 12 May 2010, 12:24 
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I fought and studied God for 36 odd years before I knew enough of our world paradigm to challenge the Godhead to show himself and prove me wrong in my thinking. He/It did show himself. Not to prove me wrong but to prove me right. If I would have been wrong, the Godhead would not have acknowledged me. I call the cosmic consciousness Godhead because He/It is not what most traditionally call God.

Can you expand on this a bit? How did "he/it show himself"? What is his/its nature? What does "cosmic consciousness" mean? I want to make sure I'm understanding your terms and what you're trying to convey.


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I fought and studied God for 36 odd years before I knew enough of our world paradigm to challenge the Godhead to show himself and prove me wrong in my thinking. He/It did show himself. Not to prove me wrong but to prove me right. If I would have been wrong, the Godhead would not have acknowledged me. I call the cosmic consciousness Godhead because He/It is not what most traditionally call God.

Can you expand on this a bit? How did "he/it show himself"? What is his/its nature? What does "cosmic consciousness" mean? I want to make sure I'm understanding your terms and what you're trying to convey.


It did not show Itself in any visible way. It cannot. It is a part of nature and cannot exceed the bounds of nature or physics.

You may have heard of the ancient term, in the spirit.
Many of the ancients said that they were in that state when revelation came to them.
In modern term, I call this telepathy.
I initiated telepathy twice in my live. The first was with my wife. More accidental than intentional. It surprised us both.
The second time was intentional and I touched the mind of what I perceived as a cosmic consciousness. A consolidation of distinct yet merged minds.
If I had not had the first experience with my wife, I would not have given any veracity to the second. I believe both experiences to be completely real.

The nature of the cosmic consciousness as it pertains to us here, seems to be that it just sits there and waits to accept our consciousness after death and on rare occasion, one of us reaches it and returns. It’s only activity towards man seems to be that once found, it tries to help our thinking.

It basically confirmed my thinking, which had to be right before it would acknowledge my presence, and tried to improve upon it with a message that said, think more demographically.

Not such a wondrous experience right?

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I fought and studied God for 36 odd years before I knew enough of our world paradigm to challenge the Godhead to show himself and prove me wrong in my thinking. He/It did show himself. Not to prove me wrong but to prove me right. If I would have been wrong, the Godhead would not have acknowledged me. I call the cosmic consciousness Godhead because He/It is not what most traditionally call God.

Can you expand on this a bit? How did "he/it show himself"? What is his/its nature? What does "cosmic consciousness" mean? I want to make sure I'm understanding your terms and what you're trying to convey.


It did not show Itself in any visible way. It cannot. It is a part of nature and cannot exceed the bounds of nature or physics.

You may have heard of the ancient term, in the spirit.
Many of the ancients said that they were in that state when revelation came to them.
In modern term, I call this telepathy.
I initiated telepathy twice in my live. The first was with my wife. More accidental than intentional. It surprised us both.
The second time was intentional and I touched the mind of what I perceived as a cosmic consciousness. A consolidation of distinct yet merged minds.
If I had not had the first experience with my wife, I would not have given any veracity to the second. I believe both experiences to be completely real.

The nature of the cosmic consciousness as it pertains to us here, seems to be that it just sits there and waits to accept our consciousness after death and on rare occasion, one of us reaches it and returns. It’s only activity towards man seems to be that once found, it tries to help our thinking.

It basically confirmed my thinking, which had to be right before it would acknowledge my presence, and tried to improve upon it with a message that said, think more demographically.

Not such a wondrous experience right?

Regards
DL


I think you would have a hard time convincing people that what you experienced was psychic. Particularly scientists. That said if you could then I'd be interested. I am a skeptic but in the Fortean sense.

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PostPosted: 16 May 2010, 08:48 
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I have no way to prove the experience.
Perhaps some day science will find the right frequency where this entity is but if I am right about how things work. It will block any intrusion. I think that this capability is part of it's nature as contact is, as my wife said of my touching her mind, a violation.
It takes a certain type of arrogance to force ones consciousness into another.

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