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PostPosted: 14 May 2010, 10:32 
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Is God’s Love conditional or unconditional?

The existence of hell seems to indicate quite clearly that God hates some of us and that that hate negates unconditional love by setting a condition that if we do not do exactly as commanded, that love is withdrawn.

Even if there is no hell, any king of eternal punishment goes against unconditional love.

Some think that when we sin, we sin against God as well as the victim here on earth. Unconditional love should always forgive regardless of the sin as far as God would be concerned.

Conditional love would say that the sinner must repent.

The problem is the unrepentant sinner.
When meeting God for judgment, if the sinner cannot see why he should repent or if he feels that whatever issue at hand is not a sin, does God’s unconditional love apply or is it cast aside somehow so that God can have the option of punishment?

This may never happen as God is said to have omnipotent persuasive powers but of this I am not sure and you may want to correct me on this because God, it seems, could not convince Satan to do His bidding.

Is God’s love then unconditional and no hell is required because we are all forgiven thanks to that love?

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Is God’s love conditional and there is a hell for those who do not do as commanded and repent?

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Is God’s Love conditional or unconditional?

The existence of hell seems to indicate quite clearly that God hates some of us and that that hate negates unconditional love by setting a condition that if we do not do exactly as commanded, that love is withdrawn.

Even if there is no hell, any king of eternal punishment goes against unconditional love.

Some think that when we sin, we sin against God as well as the victim here on earth. Unconditional love should always forgive regardless of the sin as far as God would be concerned.

Conditional love would say that the sinner must repent.

The problem is the unrepentant sinner.
When meeting God for judgment, if the sinner cannot see why he should repent or if he feels that whatever issue at hand is not a sin, does God’s unconditional love apply or is it cast aside somehow so that God can have the option of punishment?

This may never happen as God is said to have omnipotent persuasive powers but of this I am not sure and you may want to correct me on this because God, it seems, could not convince Satan to do His bidding.

Is God’s love then unconditional and no hell is required because we are all forgiven thanks to that love?

Or

Is God’s love conditional and there is a hell for those who do not do as commanded and repent?

Regards
DL


God loves everyone even sinners, what god hates is sin.

The sinner is encouraged to repent honestly with God as his witness or some arbiter, whether he does or not is up to him, if he ultimately chooses not to repent his wickedness, then he is not let into heaven.

Luke 15:17

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Hell is a thorny issue, some see it only as being apart from God and not necessarily eternal, the Jews for example: see Gehenna. Where as Christians have rather made it a place of eternal suffering, rather than being apart from God being suffering enough. The demons and pitchforks are pure medieval artistic license though.

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PostPosted: 16 May 2010, 08:42 
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I will put you down as a vote for conditional love then. Thanks.

I too do not believe in the fantasy parts of religion.

My Deism is based on a natural God, not a supernatural one. It is a cosmic consciousness.
The only reason I believe this is from my apotheosis.

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