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PostPosted: 16 Oct 2012, 08:58 
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Christianity would die without Islam.

Belief is a psychological and imposed condition. Mutual fear and The Nobel Lie is sustaining both Islam and Christianity by governments. They are using religion and the religious as patsies.

The Lie is necessary, Plato argues, in order to keep a stable social structure. In Plato’s mind, The Noble Lie is a religious lie that’s fed to the masses to keep them under control and happy with their situation in life.

Plato did not believe most people were smart enough to look after their own and society’s best interest. The few smart people of the world needed to lead the rest of the flock, Plato said. And The Noble Lie had to continue.

I have been puzzled for some time now as to why the West embraces a pathological and genocidal God who shows almost all works and deeds of hate instead of love.

If I understand why the West chose the Christian God of war correctly, that choice was made and is sustained by the pressures of war brought against it by Islam. The Islamic dogma of kill the infidels show other religions that that God is just as pathological and intolerant as the Christian God with his, believe in me or end in hell policy. The West fought fire with fire. A holy pissing contest based on the Noble Lie on both sides.

Rome, now the West, would have had to have a different God than what their Eastern counterparts had. Rome was created as a defensive response to invasions from the Khans and tribes of the Fertile Crescent, Islam. As the Asian tribes relented in their expansion, the main enemy of the West became and is now Islam.

Constantine chose Christianity. First, as a ploy to win in battle and maintained it later, even as he was not a Christian at heart, for his own self-aggrandizement as his plan, according to archeology, was to usurp Jesus as the new King/God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0eSqFJ7J4

From there, Rome pushed northward and promoted the Christian God of war on his ability to win battles. The West of today was born.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA_SSpQD ... re=related

Unfortunately, morality was never the draw for this Christian God. Only his barbarism that was used against all other Gods and most notably Islam’s.

The fear of Islam then is what is still the driving force that explains the West embracing the pathological and genocidal God of Christianity. It was all just the one-upmanship of killing power.

Vatican II tried for rapprochement with Islam and today, progressive Christianity is trying to offer an olive branch to Islam.

Are the right wings of Christianity and Islam ready to bury the hatchet of war and competition and have their Gods kiss and make up or will the demographics of Muslim peoples force the remainder of this century to be one of conflict?
Will both religions have what it takes to return to the older thinking that there is only one nameless God for all, or will we continue to fight for what is basically a name for God that all books of wisdom say we should not name?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivis ... with-love/

Should both Christianity and Islam revert and follow their religious root, Judaism, and recognize that their man created versions of their Gods are evil and reject them as unfit to rule any peaceful loving egalitarian nation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

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PostPosted: 18 Oct 2012, 16:37 
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Xtianity didn't need Islam as an enemy. Heresies (disagreement with other xtians) served the same purpose.


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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2012, 11:00 
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dancer_rnb wrote:
Xtianity didn't need Islam as an enemy. Heresies (disagreement with other xtians) served the same purpose.


No argument but later, Islam did serve as the enemy.

For your files.

I will add these clips to the mix for your consideration. The first which is part of the second speaks to my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overall and the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The third clip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as it shows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with the reality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocratic king who through the religion that he would have created, also realized that there had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cian ... D134B912A5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrMtRm3b ... playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1wIEGnPWo

I see the King/God as having to have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

He would have to create his religion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by the first commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of his King/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman system would later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavians and later through Constantine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0eSqFJ7J4

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PostPosted: 28 May 2016, 17:32 
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dancer_rnb wrote:
Xtianity didn't need Islam as an enemy. Heresies (disagreement with other xtians) served the same purpose.


I disagree.

If Islam had not united against the West, Christianity, that was infighting in the West, would not have united against a common enemy. Islam.

The Holy Wars and Crusades were to regain the many loses that Christianity was suffering in the East. Separation of religion and state was not a reality in those days and these were as much political moves as they were religious moves.

A quick view of the history is in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjUu1Bt29o

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PostPosted: 05 May 2018, 10:25 
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Thanks.

I have not been around here for a while and just accidentally saw your reply.

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